Circle of Arceus

  • #1

    Hello gang, this has been bugging me for a while and I've asked every Poke community I could think of (/vp/ Bulbagarden, Marriland etc.) and This issue confuses me all too heck.

     

    Dao of Time 

    What the heck is this thing? I can get that each circle is supposed to be a Legendary but can anyone make heads or tails of this? 

    I mean you would think with it being four years old and all us fans on the net 
    someone would come up with something but NOPE! Nothing.

     

    Maybe the order they show up in on the video is a clue?

     

     

  • #2

    Yeah it is in HS AND SS

  • #3

    I know that. I meant what it MEANS.

  • #4

    That arceus is like the master of creation

  • #5

    The image itself, DA. Arceus being God is already known.

  • #6

    Okay. Here goes. Arceus, when taken to the Ruins in HG and SS activates this in-game Event, that allows you to take one of the three, Dialga, Palkia or Giratina at Lv1. So far, since you can get that Arceus Lv80 in the Hall of Origin ( by playing the Azure Flute- By cheats, since it has not been released yet ), and the MICHINA's Arceus or TRU's Arceus ( Both count as one Arceus ), you can only get 2 Pokémon out of the three Lv1 Legendaries. Okay. That part is explained. Now, onto the meaning. The meaning of the picture has never been clear, or even completely explained, but since a bit has been explained during the in-game Event, I can tell you all the facts that I know for Certain, and the Facts that I am not very sure about. The Bottom left Circle depicts Dialga. The Bottom right Circle Depicts Palkia and the circle at the top depicts Giratina. This part of the Event occurs in Sinjoh Ruins, in HG and SS. Cynthia explains a lot of it. Well, back to the topic. The line connecting the three small circles that I has just mentioned to be a Palkia, Dialga and Giratina, are the lines that act as an orbit. Those circles for Palkia, Dialga and Giratina are actually their worlds, The Space Rift, The Time Rift and the Distortion World. The Distortion World is a Mirror world to the Normal Pokémon World. Well, the Center Depicts the completely unknown and far of world of Arceus. According to legend, Arceus was an egg, and having hatched, created the universe along with the creation of Palkia, Dialga and Giratina. In the Movie, Rise of Darkrai, The Space Rift and The time Rift collide. Palkia assumes that Dialga invaded it's territory and vice-versa. A fight ensues in which Dialga gains the upper hand. After Darkrai stops the fight, the movie ends. In the next movie, it is shown, that due to Palkia and Dialga's Fight, the Distortion World started to have puffs of harmful poisonous fumes. Naturally, Giratina was upset. After a huge fight that involved Shaymin, barely anything from Dialga and from a Guy named Zero, the story ends. Then, the Story continues in Arceus and the Jewel of life. The story is about a guy, Damian, who needed 5 of Arceus's Plates, that formed the Jewel of life, to revitalize the land which was in a bad shape after a Famine. After a few years, Arceus returns for the Jewel and is betrayed. Naturally, Arceus is unhappy. But later, due to time travel, Ash realises that it was not Damian, but actually his Adviser. After rectifying the past, Arceus takes the Jewel and returns. Oh, and one more thing. Arceus actually made the Lake Guardians, Mesprit, Uxie and Azelf, after Palkia and Dialga. They gave him the power to create Giratina ( Matter ). So basically, Palkia and Dialga were created. Then The Lake Guardians were created who in turn helped creating Giratina. The Sphere in the Center is the area where Arceus resides. Here is the Myth in poem form:-

    In the beginning, there was only a churning turmoil of chaos.

    At the heart of chaos, where all things became one, appeared an Egg.

    Having tumbled from the vortex, the Egg gave rise to the Original One.

    From itself, two beings the Original One did make. 

    Time started to spin. 

    Space began to expand.

    From itself again, three living things the Original One did make.

    The two beings wished, and from them, matter came to be.

    The three living things wished, and from them, spirit came to be.

    The world created, the Original One took to unyielding sleep...

    After doing what it had to do, Arceus went to sleep, only to be awoken in the Movie, Arceus and the Jewel of Life. The Triangle connecting the three spheres of Dialga, Palkia and Giratina represents the fact that their existence is tied together.

    The rest of the small circles is what I don't know about. I also don't know where the Earth is shown. I think that the Three circles inside the Palkia, Dialga and Giratina Spheres represent the three lake Guardians. Or maybe, the Three circles inside the Center are the Lake Guardians. All of this is not a 100% clear, but we can guess. Also, these lines are pretty confusing:-

    The two beings wished, and from them, matter came to be.

    The three living things wished, and from them, spirit came to be.

    Image removed due to its file extension: https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQoiuARpQt8e5x0mK7goRp82XzxkgBeR013aL9NsUGVvfaIZ_Zm

    There. That is the Event occurring. If you notice, the center of the Circle is surrounded by a few Diamond Shaped Pictures. These are the various Plates of Arceus.

     

     

    Here. The Pink Sphere is Palkia's Dimension, the blue Sphere is Dialga's, and the Brown-Red/Orange Sphere is Giratina's. The Large, Central, Yellow and Oval Shaped object is Arceus's Dimension. The green Sphere at the bottom is Earth. This is called the Time-Space Axis and is shown in the Movie Arceus and the Jewel of Life. This object showed the Events occurring between the dimensions. For example, when the fight between Palkia and Dialga occurred, the Space and Time Spheres in the Time-Space Axis Collided. I would say that this is the most accurate image for the explanation you want.

    I don't think the above image is present, so:-

     

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    Edit:- The Large circle without the Triangle with the spheres on the edges ( That Depict Palkia, Dialga and Giratina ) as shown in the video is Earth.

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    Last edited by Aditya4wifi: 2/1/2013 2:56:53 AM

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    Okay. Here goes. Arceus, when taken to the Ruins in HG and SS activates this in-game Event, that allows you to take one of the three, Dialga, Palkia or Giratina at Lv1. So far, since you can get that Arceus Lv80 in the Hall of Origin ( by playing the Azure Flute- By cheats, since it has not been released yet ), and the MICHINA's Arceus or TRU's Arceus ( Both count as one Arceus ), you can only get 2 Pokémon out of the three Lv1 Legendaries. Okay. That part is explained. Now, onto the meaning. The meaning of the picture has never been clear, or even completely explained, but since a bit has been explained during the in-game Event, I can tell you all the facts that I know for Certain, and the Facts that I am not very sure about. The Bottom left Circle depicts Dialga. The Bottom right Circle Depicts Palkia and the circle at the top depicts Giratina. This part of the Event occurs in Sinjoh Ruins, in HG and SS. Cynthia explains a lot of it. Well, back to the topic. The line connecting the three small circles that I has just mentioned to be a Palkia, Dialga and Giratina, are the lines that act as an orbit. Those circles for Palkia, Dialga and Giratina are actually their worlds, The Space Rift, The Time Rift and the Distortion World. The Distortion World is a Mirror world to the Normal Pokémon World. Well, the Center Depicts the completely unknown and far of world of Arceus. According to legend, Arceus was an egg, and having hatched, created the universe along with the creation of Palkia, Dialga and Giratina. In the Movie, Rise of Darkrai, The Space Rift and The time Rift collide. Palkia assumes that Dialga invaded it's territory and vice-versa. A fight ensues in which Dialga gains the upper hand. After Darkrai stops the fight, the movie ends. In the next movie, it is shown, that due to Palkia and Dialga's Fight, the Distortion World started to have puffs of harmful poisonous fumes. Naturally, Giratina was upset. After a huge fight that involved Shaymin, barely anything from Dialga and from a Guy named Zero, the story ends. Then, the Story continues in Arceus and the Jewel of life. The story is about a guy, Damian, who needed 5 of Arceus's Plates, that formed the Jewel of life, to revitalize the land which was in a bad shape after a Famine. After a few years, Arceus returns for the Jewel and is betrayed. Naturally, Arceus is unhappy. But later, due to time travel, Ash realises that it was not Damian, but actually his Adviser. After rectifying the past, Arceus takes the Jewel and returns. Oh, and one more thing. Arceus actually made the Lake Guardians, Mesprit, Uxie and Azelf, after Palkia and Dialga. They gave him the power to create Giratina ( Matter ). So basically, Palkia and Dialga were created. Then The Lake Guardians were created who in turn helped creating Giratina. The Sphere in the Center is the area where Arceus resides. Here is the Myth in poem form:-

    In the beginning, there was only a churning turmoil of chaos.

    At the heart of chaos, where all things became one, appeared an Egg.

    Having tumbled from the vortex, the Egg gave rise to the Original One.

    From itself, two beings the Original One did make. 

    Time started to spin. 

    Space began to expand.

    From itself again, three living things the Original One did make.

    The two beings wished, and from them, matter came to be.

    The three living things wished, and from them, spirit came to be.

    The world created, the Original One took to unyielding sleep...

    After doing what it had to do, Arceus went to sleep, only to be awoken in the Movie, Arceus and the Jewel of Life. The Triangle connecting the three spheres of Dialga, Palkia and Giratina represents the fact that their existence is tied together.

    The rest of the small circles is what I don't know about. I also don't know where the Earth is shown. I think that the Three circles inside the Palkia, Dialga and Giratina Spheres represent the three lake Guardians. Or maybe, the Three circles inside the Center are the Lake Guardians. All of this is not a 100% clear, but we can guess. Also, these lines are pretty confusing:-

    The two beings wished, and from them, matter came to be.

    The three living things wished, and from them, spirit came to be.

    Image removed due to its file extension: https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQoiuARpQt8e5x0mK7goRp82XzxkgBeR013aL9NsUGVvfaIZ_Zm

    There. That is the Event occurring. If you notice, the center of the Circle is surrounded by a few Diamond Shaped Pictures. These are the various Plates of Arceus.

     

     

    Here. The Pink Sphere is Palkia's Dimension, the blue Sphere is Dialga's, and the Brown-Red/Orange Sphere is Giratina's. The Large, Central, Yellow and Oval Shaped object is Arceus's Dimension. The green Sphere at the bottom is Earth. This is called the Time-Space Axis and is shown in the Movie Arceus and the Jewel of Life. This object showed the Events occurring between the dimensions. For example, when the fight between Palkia and Dialga occurred, the Space and Time Spheres in the Time-Space Axis Collided. I would say that this is the most accurate image for the explanation you want.

    I don't think the above image is present, so:-

     

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    Edit:- The Large circle without the Triangle with the spheres on the edges ( That Depict Palkia, Dialga and Giratina ) as shown in the video is Earth.

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    Putting it into a post that is not so long, the bottom left circle represents Dialgia. The bottom right represents Palkia and the top represents Girantina. The circle in the center represents Arceus. Also the circles represent the respective legendaries dimension.

  • #8

    Not the one on the ground. That is pretty onbvius. I meant the one he makes when he is rebooting the universe. The "blueprint" if you will.

     

    It's like a Kabbalistsic Transmuattaion Circle of Reality, it even goes in a set sequence.

    Order

     

     

    Here is what I have so far

     

     

     

    It starts with Arceus and then the Creation Trio (obviously) and then goes with the Weather Trio and the Lake Gaurdians. This follows basic Mytheme progression (cosmic to terrestrial to human) as well as a chronolgy of creation (the universe the planet people) also note how this makes the Lake Guardians a Triangle enclosing the Creation Trio, the motif seen both in the design of Sinnoh with the lakes around Coronet and the formation they take when chaining the Creations.

    The outer triangle a are filled with the only pokemon that match them (a trip with a separate trio master) and are also chronologically the most contemproarayu(Ho-Oh making the Beasts, the Regis being made/stolen from/by Regigigas/Humans)

     

    The Inner disk of the paired rings implies duos, thus I placed them there (though Mewtwo is iffy, perhaps Manaphy and Phione?)

     

    The rest I have like no idea.

     

    I also am not setting the orientation in stone, it has been suggested elsewhere that it should go Azelf's point touching Hoo-h (hope and will power) and then the regis touching the point of intelligence with Lugia with emotion. The Weather Trio as RGB were also suggested to orient with the Lake Guardians as CMYK (not the color scheme)

     

     

    Different versions have been tossed around but some design on this is the most common.  Perhaps the ring with the groups of three is random? 

  • #9

    That is rubbish. Where you have as:-

    Lugia, Zapdos, Moltres and Articuno- The Time Rift, where Dialga lives.

    Ho-oh, Raikou, Entei and Suicune- The Space rift, where Palkia lives.

    The 4 Regi's- The Distortion World, where Giratina lives. 

    Aelf, Uxie and Mesprit are correctly located. The rest of the circles that you have left unmarked are Arceus's Plates.

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  • #10

    Why do the "rifts" contain multiple circles? What is the significance of the order the circles arise in, and why don't the plate numbers match unless you lump circles together as one?

     

    Here is an empty marked version used for analysis. 

    In the order they appear.

     

    Linked Circle I:

    This is a single circle in the center and one that Arceus stands within. Thus I believe it is logical to tie this to Arceus. The Creation Trio is what I find the three attached one  as, due to it being a trio with a direct link to Arceus (note the overlapping circles) the only other trio this could be would be the Lake Guardians, which are more closely tied to a triangle.

     

    Circle II:

    This the weather trio. I find this by deduction. Its a set trio, but with no fourth "leader." As of Gen IV, with the others elsewhere this became the Weather trio by process of elimination. It also fits chronologically (as the earth was made after the universe but before the human thoughts.)


    Triangle 1:

    The Lake Guardians obviously, no argument here.

    Circle III:


    I really have no idea. I guess this is where the "extras" would dump but I cant tell the significance of the grouping into threes. 

    Circle IV:

    The groups of two here evoke the Duos. The placement  made me think Lunar, Eon and either Mew or Manphy and Phione. Maybe Manaphy/Phione in line with Kyogre and  and the Eon's in line with  Rayquaza?


    A b and C

     

    As of Gen Iv there were only three other Quadrets of Pokemon that could be here. The Regis, Lugia and the Birds and Ho-Oh and the beasts. They could be rotated any which way, not sure yet.

     

    If you think they don't represent Pokemon and instead something else, explain the significance of the groupings into duos, trios and qauds as well as the deliberate order of creation that mimics the Pokemon Creation Myths.

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  • #11

    Quote from SoulKaiser »

    Not the one on the ground. That is pretty onbvius. I meant the one he makes when he is rebooting the universe. The "blueprint" if you will.

     

    It's like a Kabbalistsic Transmuattaion Circle of Reality, it even goes in a set sequence.

    Order

     

     

    Here is what I have so far

     

     

     

    It starts with Arceus and then the Creation Trio (obviously) and then goes with the Weather Trio and the Lake Gaurdians. This follows basic Mytheme progression (cosmic to terrestrial to human) as well as a chronolgy of creation (the universe the planet people) also note how this makes the Lake Guardians a Triangle enclosing the Creation Trio, the motif seen both in the design of Sinnoh with the lakes around Coronet and the formation they take when chaining the Creations.

    The outer triangle a are filled with the only pokemon that match them (a trip with a separate trio master) and are also chronologically the most contemproarayu(Ho-Oh making the Beasts, the Regis being made/stolen from/by Regigigas/Humans)

     

    The Inner disk of the paired rings implies duos, thus I placed them there (though Mewtwo is iffy, perhaps Manaphy and Phione?)

     

    The rest I have like no idea.

     

    I also am not setting the orientation in stone, it has been suggested elsewhere that it should go Azelf's point touching Hoo-h (hope and will power) and then the regis touching the point of intelligence with Lugia with emotion. The Weather Trio as RGB were also suggested to orient with the Lake Guardians as CMYK (not the color scheme)

     

     

    Different versions have been tossed around but some design on this is the most common.  Perhaps the ring with the groups of three is random? 

    I know new two is not iat that because he was created by scientists. 

    Last edited by DarkAssassin21: 2/1/2013 10:21:03 PM
  • #12

    This is a very interesting discussion, though I don't understand anything about it. I'm posting to ask you guys not to quote such large posts, it makes things difficult to scroll through as I'm reading it. If you want to reply to someone, you can put @[username here] at the beginning of your post so they know you're talking to them. And it will make the page much less stretched out and easier to follow... thank you c:

     

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  • #13

    WTF?

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  • #14

    I know, I was a bit iffy on Mewtwo as well. The guys at /vp/ have been tossing around various configurations. 

  • #15

    I've been following this discussion as well and I had a question. Why have you guys not even considered the swords of justice and any legendaries in gen 5 other than the weather trio? 

    Likewise I think that phione and manaphy should be on the side adjacent to kyorgre because they are all water. And I don't think mewtwo should be in it at all, like previous people have stated. 

    Edit: also where does it say that hooh is the master of the beasts?

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  • #16

    Ho-oh is the Master. When the Bell Tower burnt down, the first one, 3 Pokémon DIED. Ho-oh revived them. These three Pokémon are Raikou, Entei and Suicune. 5th Gen Pokémon are not valid. This Circle was created in the 4th Gen, thus making it clear that only 1st Gen to 4th Gen are applicable. If this was real life, then yes, the Circle should have included all Pokémon even from upcoming Gens. Think about it this way. Nintendo had no idea that they were going to create a Reshiram and Zekrom when they made Pearl and Diamond, HG and SS. If it was real life, everything would have been made at the same time by Arceus. Also, Unova was made by a Meteonite striking land. So, there is no way that 5th or 6th Gen Pokémon are involved in this. Besides, this circle pertains to Arceus and the Pokémon he first created. The rest of the Pokémon including Kabuto, Kabutops, Omanyte, Omastar, Aerodactyl, Cranidos, Ramparados, Shieldon, Bastiodon, Lileep, Cradilly, Anorith, Armaldo and Genesect ( The one without the cannon ) were created later. Therefore, only Arceus, Palkia, Dialga, Giratina, Mesprit, Uxie and Azelf are applicable.

    And yes, Genesect was a Fossil. A few Billion Years ago, he used to be the strongest hunter, terrorising Humans. He was recreated by Team Plasma. Lord N wanted this. Later on, he ordered the plan to stop. But one scientist, who was very proud of his wisdom, decided to continue and install the cannon Genesect's back. He now resides in P2 Lab.

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  • #17

    @Aditya: How do you know that Gamefreak don't have all of their future legends planned out already? If they are basing their legendaries off of something then it only makes sense that they are related in some way. Like from some myth or ancient story. If they have some master plan for all future legends then how are the 5th gen pokemon not applicable?

    They may just be leaching ideas from one myth and they have many future legends made, but this is all speculation.

    I also understand about the Genesect though because that is what the guy in the P2 lab tells you when you fight him to get genesect's drives. But was there not some speculation about Genesect just being a scientifically enhanced Kabutops. I believe there was and it makes sense.

     

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  • #18

    @Bridog: I can't really say. You never know. You may be right. But that is not Probable. Even if they had, like I said, Unova was created by accident much later. By a Meteonite. Okay, maybe the 6th Gen Pokémon maybe involved, but definitely not the 5th. Only Arceus, Palkia, Dialga, Giratina and the Lake Guardians were created. At the same time, the circle had been created. But, there could not have been additions to the circle. The circle was pertaining to the creation of the Universe, Earth and the Pokémon that helped in the creation.

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  • #19

    @aditya: but don't the weather trio have quite a bit to do with the creation of the earth. One stands for earth itself. The others for aspects of erosion which shape the earth. 

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  • #20

    @Bridog: True. But that was after the earth was created. And created by who? Arceus. After creating Palkia and Dialga, he created the Lake Guardians. After creating the lake Guardians, he created Giratina and the earth. Then, as the Myth says, he went to sleep. The circle was created after Arceus woke up and created the Lake Guardians and the Creation Trio, and no more additions have been there after Arceus went to sleep. And Arceus went to sleep as soon as he created Giratina. Of course, the story could be altered in Generation 6. For proof:-

    <dl><dd>In the beginning, there was only</dd><dd>a churning turmoil of chaos.</dd><dd>At the heart of chaos, where all</dd><dd>things became one, appeared an Egg.</dd><dd>Having tumbled from the vortex, the</dd><dd>Egg gave rise to the Original One.</dd><dd>From itself, two beings the Original</dd><dd>One did make.</dd><dd>Time started to spin.</dd><dd>Space began to expand.</dd><dd>From itself again, three living things</dd><dd>the Original One did make.</dd><dd>The two beings wished, and from them,</dd><dd>matter came to be.</dd><dd>The three living things wished, and</dd><dd>from them, spirit came to be.</dd><dd>The world created, the Original One</dd><dd>took to unyielding sleep.</dd><dd>Translation- </dd><dd>This myth describes how Sinnoh's first Pokémon, Arceus, also known as the Original One, came to be, from the Egg that appeared in the chaos. Also, the two beings that Arceus makes are Dialga andPalkia, creators of time and space, respectively. Arceus creates three living things as well, which areUxieAzelf, and Mesprit, the only Pokémon which can control Dialga and Palkia. Arceus thereafter went into the Hall of Origin high above the Spear Pillar, to wait for the Azure Flute to be played.
    • According to Cynthia in Platinum, Giratina was created along with Dialga and Palkia. However, it was forgotten.
    </dd></dl>

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